On the Hunt with Alpen Optics Dec 9th 2020

Transcript: alpine i'm kent martz uh who works for alpine bresson explore scientific as a customer service rep this is my uh co-worker mark schrocky ken how you doing tonight i'm good been sitting here trying to figure out how to get stuff live and uh we are going to have some technical difficulties you know uh live tv and live broadcast is is ripe for errors and uh and mistakes and we couldn't get um rick quite up he was uh here and uh connection went down we could not reestablish so we're just going to go on and do the show without rick and rick if you're watching uh you know technical difficulties we'll work it out so apologize for that uh we also we're gonna have john dallas a uh a field staffer from uh charleston indiana uh on with us to discuss uh some hunting stuff but uh that's off the table too so mark uh once you talk to us about what we are going to talk about on the show now that our scripts are shot to pieces yeah i think it's not a difficulty it's a challenge it's a challenge it's opportunity it's an opportunity that's what they tell us in sales anyway i wanted to talk about uh what we were uh going to cover this evening we're going to cover at least a portion of this so everybody sit tight with us while we get through our opportunity here but uh tonight uh i've got my son here my son chris uh we're really excited to have him on the second album on the hunt uh cast and he's going to talk about a recent experience that he had chris has been doing a little bit of sand hill crane hunting over the last couple three years and recently went to oklahoma and they uh they did a pretty good job on the birds over there but we asked him to come on today and talk a little bit about tactics um the dog willie the crane dog is a really interesting creature that you may see in a photo if we can get our opportunity to come to fruition here yeah i've got all sorts of questions about that when you see the picture everybody you're going to have the same questions i had yeah well i'm not going to give it away yet but when when the dog comes up you're gonna go huh yeah so it's pretty pretty interesting what's he what's he doing so anyway we'll see what uh what willie's up to uh chris is gonna uh cook some crane too and uh it's on the grill on the back of his pickup truck right now so we're going to experience that we get a little bit crane jerky so he's going to talk about that talk about his secret crane recipe here tonight i guess i don't know but this stuff's delicious hopefully some of you that are watching have eaten crane before and it's it's really really good uh after that you told me it was it was a beef of the steak of the sky well it's supposed to be i've heard it called rib eye of this guy there we go that's the phrase yes yeah we're gonna test it out on you tonight ken i'll eat willingly okay all right good good and the cameraman has been directed that if something happens to get it get good on video so i become internet famous yeah and if you don't like it tyler on the camera gets to eat it that's right if i like it tyler gets to eat it anyway we're going to attempt to talk to rick and john up in indiana they have been hunting the last couple several days up there and we want to hear the the recent reports hopefully we've got good news from indiana tonight and they've been shooting uh the muzzleloader guns right and john was gonna be talking about his beagles yeah yeah that's another thing yeah john is uh i get i don't know how many dogs he's running with with the rabbit hunting up there but we're pretty interested to hear about that um last thing we're going to talk about is some some trail cam usage that rick was going to cover you know we wanted to hear what they're doing in different phases of seasons and how the application may be different early in the season compared to what they're trying to do now with trail cams and how they're tracking these uh these deer on the property so rick's gonna tell us about that a little bit again if we maximize our opportunity this evening and get to speak with rick white last thing we'll cover as as always on this show is um an alpine optic special we're going to talk about a trail cam special that you guys can take advantage of for haven't seen the podcast but that's about it for the topics that we're going to cover so uh paula we're going to cut away are we just going to go yeah let's just keep track okay okay so i'm going to switch mike's with chris here and let him come up with me on the camera right now is he there i don't think he's there my screen's blank paul so anyway my son's been doing a lot of deer hunting last couple of weeks and uh he got on video of uh twice now uh a uh close encounter with pepe le pew he was walking up to his truck in the dark after after uh uh hunting and uh saw something move and stopped about three feet away from a a beautiful beautiful skunk that came out from under his truck and uh luckily it wasn't facing backwards and bopping up and down with his tail in the air and uh jeff said he was somewhat excited by that and slowly slowly backed up and uh he got video of a picture of it and a couple days before he had a picture of the i believe the same us the same skunk uh was uh walked up to his blind and rubbed on the blind as he was hunting so you know those those things that happen uh when uh um you're out in the woods or can be unplanned and unscripted just like this tv show has gone right now so chris you wanna come on in well it smells good so sure this is chris rocky uh he's mark's son hey nice to meet you darn it yeah yeah i know already boy it's we've we've already broken protocol we'll just so can you share those dirty until we is are we ready to eat now you want to talk let's is this hot now and let's eat it's it's hot now it looks like it's going to stay hot for a little while um i got a little bit of sand hill crane info if we want to start with that and this is hot i don't want to eat it cold it's that cast iron skillet should hold the heat for for a while so talk about how did you get into crane hunting uh i got into crane hunting because i have a really good uh buddy who gets me into all sorts of hunting and um i will love him forever for that we've been to on all sorts of crazy hunts went to south africa together uh done some really really cool stuff but uh buddy jared's got uh he's really got a lot of friends within the ducks unlimited community out in oklahoma so i've been on two sand hill crane crane hunts this year uh one successful one not so successful both in oklahoma one was in oklahoma the one that didn't wasn't so hot um the one and that was kind of us trying to do our thing and and decoys are important and we'll talk about sandhill crane decoys and how important they are the one which was where we had a lot of success and where we've had a lot of success was actually in lubbock texas and so jared's got a got a good buddy uh through the du community guy named brian who is a professional guide and so he guides out there in in lubbock and i've actually got it's got its info i'm glad to pass that out if people are interested in that um but but yeah that's that's how i kind of got into it but you know i had you know never heard of these birds before because depending on what part of the country you're in you you if you're not within that flywheel yeah exactly the flyway is a very very specific part of the country and there are migratory birds and non-migratory birds you got non-migratory populations in places like florida i think like louisiana there's non-migratory populations like a lot of us have non-migratory canada geese yeah there are places with non-migratory sandhill cranes exactly not know that exactly so probably the same thing somebody took eggs they hatched in in florida or wherever and they think that's home so they never leave they may just be retired cranes snowbirds that's it yeah that could be i i am an amateur crane hunter i know something about them i i have some some facts i think are kind of interesting about them so jump in let's listen to what you have sure so so um it is actually one of the oldest birds that that uh we're aware of it's an ancient north american species they go back at least two and a half million years so it's basically unchanged for like the last two and a half million years um we've actually got a treaty with uh russia among other countries to to manage the species to manage the the resource because they're such a great migrators uh there are birds that will make their way all the way down to the gulf coast that originate in siberia they fly probably around alaska over alaska across the ocean one or the other yeah alaska canada probably just looking for for you know water they won't they tend they roost um in in water standing up so that kind of protects them from from predators that can uh kind of keep them keep things from sticking up on them that way so that's what they're looking for and they're looking for food um and they um uh yeah they're typically they've got gray feathers you will see some which are rust colored and that's from a it's a staining so the birds preen with iron rich soil so you can actually kind of get a sense of where some of the birds may have been based on some of that coloration or around what type of resources as well so is this blind hunting are you in ground blinds like you're hunting uh uh kennedy or snow geese or or geese yeah yeah so we've done it in layout blinds and we did in one year we did it in a box blind swing blind which which was kind of a lot of fun where you're actually sitting up and it's kind of uh that's a little bit more social because you can have you know like half a dozen guys and like a single long blind swing blind just like you and i are right next to each other in a blind if you've never been in a blind it's a box down in the ground and uh you know sometimes they're half full of water and you know all sorts of fun things in there smells of your friends smells that don't go away that's right as opposed to laying on the ground where you're in a blind and you've got a friend right next to you in fact i've seen a video y'all handing shells back and forth and that's a very common thing it's like hey give me some shells yeah exactly exactly it's and it's and you will you do go through some shelves it's a limit of three birds per per person per day um and it's it's fun it's pretty pretty active you'll have volleys of these birds coming in and so we've been in the layout blinds last couple years you're there you've got the guide is keeping an eye out everybody else is very very focused on making sure everything is covered uh even though don't even look at the birds this is what the guy doesn't say don't don't look you know right they have got amazing amazing eyesight right so typically you've got your decoys set up you got your your back to to the wind the birds land into the wind right so you're trying to anticipate which way the one's gonna be blowing and that's fairly predictable out in west texas so uh like snow geese i mean i've hunted over you know four or five thousand decoys spread of snow geese are you putting out that kind of numbers for sand hills or is it a much smaller spread we we would typically that the guy uh we would typically put out about a hundred or so um 3d uh high quality and these are not these are these full-sized deeks they are so yeah i mean they're big they're big they make goose decoys look sort of small they're big yeah so so it's it's typically one guy staking and another guy following up with decoys and setting them up and this is all going to take place you know well before sunrise so you can get all set up right are you allowed to use electronic calls i don't believe so you have it anyway yeah so so our guide and and it was kind of interesting our guy was saying that he was i think one of the first guides to actually start using the call um out there hunting in in texas and for the longest time a lot of outfits weren't and uh he's was i think i've got there's a i don't know if there's a sound uh of that of that uh the main real sort of whistling sound don't they they've got a few different yeah they've got a few different sounds depending on what's going on if they're trying to pair up or if everything's cool or there's also a the juvi is kind of like that whistling scene okay yeah but a lot of times it's almost like a purring uh sort of it's hard to describe and i'm not going to give the decoy manufacturers run for their money by even attempting to make that sound right okay so let's talk about the dog that you've hunted with and if we can get that picture up um is it up when the picture comes up um there it is all right so let's talk about that a second where there's willy it's really grainy on the screen there it goes it pops in so what's that on his face there chris those are those are goggles those these are large birds they've got up to like a six seven foot wingspan or something like that really long legs yeah long legs long beaks and long beaks yeah and so those are to protect the dog's eyes that is correct yeah that's that's absolutely correct i mean so the question i have was a solid pictures and having trained labs i'm thinking how do you train a dog to wear goggles and to to not how does that work i don't you probably don't know but i'm just fascinated by that ability to train a dog to wear goggles yeah it's it was impressed i don't know it's a good question for for brian i'm sure there's some sort of you know step-by-step conditioning program or something but i would suspect you start as soon as uh they're a puppy and you put them on them and just they just learn that fun things happen when those goggles get on just like teaching the lab to retrieve i think that's it yeah or you know hey there's a there's a uh report from a shotgun or a rifle good things are about to happen right that's like i would use a cap gun feed the puppies start popping off a cap gun just teach them nothing no nothing bad about this sound yeah good things happen when you hear this sound you get to eat yeah you could have fun and i guess it's probably the same sort of routine i would i would think so so let's let's go back that picture of that bird the birds again there's willie the goggle dog and that's a bunch of birds right there yeah yeah we did so that's three part three birds each right yeah three each and then um the guide can uh get into that limit and uh you know of course is is there a uh a difference between the male and females um the there's willie bringing a bird there's well there's there's a lesser and they're greater i believe that the males have have the red on their head i don't know i think the hens may not have as pronounced a red but i but there's not a different you can oh taking no three three miles three females doesn't matter that's right yeah yeah and it's you know juvies as well as and and you know with with these birds there's the there there's like a a greater sand hill and a lesser sand hill so you've got size differences and so it you know would be impossible to basically tell like a juvie you know greater from like a mature it's not like a duck where you can tell clearly right once you learn to identify them what's going on right right just don't shoot a whooping crane if it's which should not be mixed in so i don't have uh we were set up so i could see the screen but i can't see the screen now uh so we'll just go on down the road i can see pictures but that's it i was hoping to take questions folks bear with us you know we we don't sit here and and slick this out we're we're doing it live and i love doing live stuff because it's exciting just like life is you never know what's going to happen so anyway um let's eat yeah let's eat tyler's back there tyler's wanting to eat he's hungry he's been smelling it um yeah you gotta you gotta pla uh one of those plates uh maybe that white plate i'll just cut off of that so anyway um you were in the parking lot right so how'd you cook this yeah we're prepping this how did you cook this so so you know the the nickname is is the uh is the ribeye the sky right and so you know like a steak right so it's um i just it's got a little bit of a in terms of you know there's there's obviously field dressed out and then there's a um a little bit of a silver silver skin membrane so you want to take that off to keep it from constricting whenever you cook it but uh you know cast iron skillet high heat and a little bit of yeah hard sear and then just kind of you know if i've got access to an oven it's going to be you know letting it sit there you know 350 for about uh seven minutes after that scene or so and get to about medium medium rare so or did you use thermometer going to what 145 150 or what um i used eyeball eyeball of having cooked some sand hill crane before and i also did do a little bit of a preview um a couple preview slices sure and the ones which grill masters a little bit underdone initially got fed to my dog and the dog was happy to eat it the dog what kind of dog is it she is a full-blood german shepherd dog because i saw her i didn't get a good look when i was out just real quick but yeah and it was shepherd or belgian malinois one of the other yeah yeah she's kind of she's kind of lean in the face and then a little bit of a side thing here uh this is uh artichoke mushrooms aren't you that is that is lion's mane mushroom okay and some garlic all right for you yeah all right here we go come on tyler get a piece yeah here you go no i've had this before huh that is fine right there like that absolutely fine cut these two pieces please so what are the spices on here slice those two up yeah so that's just like that's like uh it's just like a chicago uh meat seasoning okay deal just a store-bought meat seed exactly just just treat it just a little better a little bit better and going down the road a little bit of butter and the uh yeah the mushrooms have got like a little bit of a buttery steakhouse seasoning on them good day it's good looks like uh there's gonna be some sandhill crane hunting in my future i fully fully see this happening it's so much fun so um yeah so what's the typical guy a day cost you so the the the setup that we had where we were it included uh lodging as well which was just kind of cool so hanging out the lodge which is which is nice you know a full kitchen fireplace kick back you know hang out uh tell some stories at the end of the day with um with the guide it was about it was about 350 a day yeah um do you hunt all day if you don't get your limit just keep going try and try and or is there flights in the morning and flights in the evening and you pretty well it's you can scout or whatever it's typically a morning hunt you know and and so the guides will say yeah you can you can try and hunt them in the evening whenever they're returning back to that roost after they after they fed but they're at that point in time um they're pretty interested just in getting back to roost right so the uh it's a lot more difficult to call them in so the field you're hunting over in oklahoma familiar with are they peanut fields or the grain fields or what are they both actually so peanut um wheat uh that's just been you know completely uh you know harvested out it sounds like a ver as a duplicate version of of snow goose honey i mean the same sort of thing yeah it's and it's you know the guy the guide set up where if for whatever reason they can't you know find the birds or cranes that's just not happening he's got these goose decoys as well so it's layout lines you know hey just switch out your decoys and now we're do something so for hunting you obviously you're not out of state so you have to have an out-of-state license you have to have a a migratory bird hip hip or hip the hip form filled out do you is there a goose tag or a duck tag uh anything like that yeah so for the sandhill crane it's you know um uh out of state you know hunting uh i think texas does like a five-day non-resident permit um and then you've got obviously got your your uh duck stamp so you gotta have your migratory bird stamp um a couple others and then there is the so there's a sandhill crane permit there's no cost to it but i think it's it's essentially my understanding is just to you know yeah document how many people right then survey you know randomly survey to get a sense of what the uh what the take has been okay he was supposed to keep talking so i could get a drink right right yeah that yeah i was like i'm gonna get drinking talking um that's this is a breast right yeah that's a full breast it is okay so yeah that's the size of it so let's see if oh let's see if he comes right out all right yeah okay are you rick can you say anything we're trying to see if you're up hello rick nope not there nothing that's good thank you thank you i'm glad i'm glad you like it i mean it's you know i think it's i'm gonna eat the other one so tyler doesn't you should because tyler's a big old boy and eats a lot of food and i'm gonna get that one before he gets it that's what i'm going to do oh yeah so it's in those ziploc bags back there through those bags feed me more of that yeah yeah yeah get get more of those lines have you ever had these before these lines no yeah so i came over the store i harvested them from the store yeah this was not a but but yeah they do grow in in arkansas i think i can't remember what i think it's an oak tree or something like that you know it just it just scares me to go out and and start picking mushrooms and stuff because yeah one mistake and it'll be the last mistake you make yeah i know what you're doing yeah there's such a thing as a false morel right and you know you cut it open and you're supposed to be able but yeah i'm not but that's those are in the fall morel is the aha morels yeah that's the only thing out there in the spring but in the fall uh just too scary all right let's try that jordan yeah yeah get in there so did you make the jerky i did i made this earlier today so just busted out my relatively cheap dehydrator and got it after i'll join the jerky but the tank is some of that the texture is just of the breast it's just like steak a nice tender steak so this is the classic uh dales seasoning you know can't go wrong with that stuff this has a teriyaki flavor but there's a different flavor than in the than the cooked breast i'm not sure what it is but it's it's very good it's probably that dale seasoning this that's got some soy in it rick check yours chat and zoom for a message from uh director paul so paul paul fellini this is good so i just think it's it's like how much more do you have have with you because if you want to leave you have to give it all to it might have a little bit of a personal stash that i can tap into i i'm pretty judicious with my uh sandhill crane how much more meat is on a sand hill crane i mean could you do a full body is there enough leg meat to do uh comfy legs or do uh do something with them we've always breasted them out but but they do have like the drumsticks on them so um haven't done it yet you know maybe next year you know i'll just i'll grab i'll do like a whole bird just bring that how big are their drums they're not bad because the legs are long but the muscle figures yeah you just you see how like thin those legs are on some of those pictures of those birds you know saying that but i think even the one where i've got the uh the wings holding out like that you can see it's just not a not a whole lot not a whole lot there other than it's it it's almost like an egg laying chicken yeah there's not much there right maybe so a little bit of breast there's not much else on them yeah having tried to eat some leg layers that quit laying eggs i decided that was just way too much work for maybe 10 ounces of meat i'm like nope not doing that anymore i think it would take a little bit of a slow cook to do that but although you know it's like i kind of think i would like i like to get one of these next year and then um stuff it you know maybe maybe brine it and then and then throw it on a rotisserie and just this experiment yeah like the rotisserie just kind of brush it every once in a while and i think that could probably turn out pretty well so so what 12 gauges yeah 12 gauge yeah uh bb number two number two yeah okay this i mean it's goosan yeah yeah modified improvement kind of same kind of range 20 30 yards let them get close pretty much yeah yeah pretty much okay now i've had a goose land on the foot of my layout blind what would happen if a sandhill crane bombed you in in a layout blind it would be an interesting experience i would i would probably ask willie the the sandhill crane dog to come sort that out yeah because it looks like i mean it's a pretty big bird yeah they're yeah they're they're big and they're um they're feisty yeah whenever they're there and i suspect when you knock them out of the air they're probably mostly still alive when they hit the ground unless you get a good solid head shot they're probably going to have a little spunk left in them that willie the the sandhill crane dog has to some of it yeah some if you if you wing them you know then yeah then the dog will they will they flog like a like a goose does or do they the wings and this just start just flapping the wings on the dog um yeah a little bit a little bit you know the dog the dogwood would you know dog would finish off some other other times you know we'd go out there the guy to go out there and just you know finish them off as well okay all right so um you guys have any questions in the audience a little more yeah hey man we've got we've got do we definitely have some more tyler's ready for us to get off air he's tyler's the camera man did you get some of the mushrooms too yes yeah cool so anyway do we have do we have rick or nope no okay all right new technology life goes on everything's a learning curve learn something every day and uh um that's you know a good life lesson whether it's you know eating sandhill crane or trying to figure out how to mesh together a whole lot of different programs in live broadcasting you know it's it's it's an adventure for us all um and you know that's why we do what we do whether it's hunting or you know trying to do this we try and do things new and different every day and learn something and um you know i and just being adventurous is what it's about so did you grow up hunting not not a little we did a little bit of bird hunting you know growing up um i've definitely i've kind of come into it a little bit more um i lived out in oklahoma for a while like i mentioned i've got a friend who kind of uh got me into it and so it's um you know i anything outdoors i'm i'm in you know and sometimes um it's hey it's great to have a successful harvest but sometimes there's all it's also just a good you know reason to get outside and kind of get away from uh being on your phone the whole time right you know i can tell you that last few weeks and this week and next week through the uh a christmas rush has been long days here getting you know thousands and thousands of orders a day out the back door and uh i most assuredly am going to spend some time in the woods yeah as soon as this christmas holiday rush is over with you know and uh you know it'll be a bow season uh arkansas may you know get out with a crossbow and see what we can get one of my son's blinds and uh he's been hunting a real big buck all season long and uh we were he got out one day and uh some a road hunter that night and had shot and decapitated deer uh fairly close to the blind and we just knew it was it was the big boy and we didn't see him on camera for three or four days and then there he was and jeff immediately texted me he got a picture he was just so excited about that big boy was still there the road hunters the poachers yeah you know didn't spotlight it and you know uh so we figured out which one it was and it was a nice deer but it wasn't the big boy yeah so that's always good that's still terrible that you know people do that and feel the need you know yeah a few years ago i was probably seven or eight years ago killed a deer at the farm and uh it had a 22 caliber bullet hole pierced right through its ear and somebody had taken a shot at it for the 22. with a 22 and i took a 22. it was just perfect it was a perfect it might have been a 223 but it's a tiny little hole and that deer you know lived through it obviously until it didn't live through it yeah i mean a few years later even if it's at 22 250 head shots you know yeah so you know if you could is he coming on if his audio is working can you hear me can you hear me he's talking i'm here i'm here there he is can you hear me now hi rick kent how are you doing we're good good so uh yeah listen you guys are over there eating sand hill crane and i'm here not getting to eat any of it how how fair is that well it's this fair right here rick it's this fair right here i'm going to cut it up there you go well too and it's uh it is truly uh a good eating meat for sure all right so you you just got back from hunting in indiana right well i'm still in indiana actually trying to uh trying to put my tag on a deer it's been pretty tough to be honest with you we're just uh everything's nocturnal right now there is why is that phase of the moon ruts over and so you just got nocturnal no it's because i'm here hunting them that's why no no honestly uh maybe a little bit of warm weather uh rifle season just ended not too long ago which uh you know puts a little pressure on those mature bucks and they tend to go nocturnal when that happens and so there's a lot of a lot of factors right now uh but uh you know we're gonna we're gonna get things figured out and hopefully it'll turn around here pretty quick so um did you see any deer at all yeah we saw a few but uh not too many so i i've got a few more days we'll we'll figure out a way to make it happen yet all right so do we do you have um john dallas with you right now i do i'm gonna just kind of slide the camera over he's here hey good camera operation hey john why don't you introduce yourself uh my name is john dallas i live here in clark county indiana and he's one of our field staffers at bresser and alpine and i've been hunting with john for quite a few years and uh he's been actually filming me for about the last five years so john you run beagles right are they are they deer dogs beagle dog or rabbit dogs do they mix or what's the story there okay they're they're rabbit dogs um i'm a member of the silver creek beagle club here in clark county and um they have approximately 150 160 acres to run your beagles on and um it's all fenced in um you can go over there and if you're a member and keep your dogs in tune and um and uh it's uh there's a lot of milo and different grasses for the rabbits so and and when you're there you're just running the rabbits you're not hunting rabbits is that correct um not hunting there they they run a lot of brace trials and field trials there uh but you can't shoot the rabbits um but i do uh my dogs that i have now uh the four dogs that i have are little a little aggressive they got hair hound in them and uh they're more or less uh a good rabbit hunting dog and uh they they hunt and track a lot faster than the black and tan dogs at the club so how many dogs have you run i have four dogs and do you train yourself or do you have somebody do it i i do and um every once in a while i'll have um you know breed uh a couple of the dogs for pups and and sell some how hard is it to train a dog is it i've done duck dogs labs and some i suspect it's just like beagles some beagles or some labs just have it they're just birdie um yeah are there just some beagles that are just on the rabbit from the beginning they just know it yeah you have to enhance their abilities yeah you're pretty much enhancing their abilities uh um they're it's their instinct a lot of times but you can uh you need to get your beagles started uh i like to start messing with them when they're you know when they're real young um even if it's just dragging a rabbit around or something with some cement on it um getting them going and uh introducing them to you know the uh the fields and stuff and let them follow you around and get them out in the open so when you do hunt um hunting do you try and be the uh sharpshooter use a 22 or use it a 20 gauge well no i just use uh just a regular 20 gauge and that's about it i i don't i don't know there was an old man over in town he he uh had grown up and he tried to shoot him with a 22. he said he couldn't hit him with the 22 that deserved to live and uh you know i guess he did pretty good he got a lot of rabbits over the years yeah um so how many members does your uh uh legal club have oh there's there's quite a few members a lot of good people at the club and uh everybody there's sort of like family and some's been around for a long time and uh some's retired from it uh but they all seem to come and help out and uh and help keep the place up we all do work detail and have a good time doing it so um have you ever run deer dogs can you run deer dogs in indiana well um all four of my dogs were deer dogs when i first started running them at the club and there is deer on the property or not as many now but i had to break my dogs from that so how do you do that um well there's old-fashioned ways but uh they'd probably get you for cool but uh just uh use an e-collar just a shot caller right so did you grow up running beagles i i did i probably been hunting beagles since i was 10 or 12 years old uh my brother and i always went hunting with my dad and he that was part of his passion was beagle hunting that's awesome well john thanks for sharing uh your uh uh passion for beagles with us uh you know it's it just shows that you know we're trying to encompass all aspects of hunting with this show and and and beagles is one of those things that in many places becoming a lost art or a dying thing uh when i grew up there was a number of people i knew that ran beagles and now there's one or two people i hear that are running beagles uh it's just sort of like raccoon hunting it used to be you could take a blue tick out and jump out of a truck and just follow the blue tick anywhere now if you tried that i think you'd probably have the deputy sheriffs out looking for you trying to find who you where you were so um rick what's in your future here next week or so well uh you know i'm i'm thinking about maybe running over to kentucky and doing a little deer hunting uh i'm gonna try to finish up here in indiana and possibly run over to kentucky uh then i'm gonna get home we've got uh our second shotgun seasons going on uh and then our late muzzleloader season so uh you know i've got i've got some hunting yet to do so i'm not uh i'm not done yet waiting for some bad weather i mean seems silly saying bad weather but i want the cold weather i want the snow that's what makes that late season better you know hunting those food sources you know there's bluebird days and they're duck hunting days and there's bluebird days and there's deer hunting days and uh you know i'd rather have it cold and dreary a little bit than just a beautiful sunny day um i was gonna ask you something else do y'all hunt squirrels too to extend your season yeah there's squirrels all over the place and i don't know if their squirrel season is on here still uh and i'm not even sure if ours is still on uh but uh yeah it's a great sport i i used to you know i used to when i was a kid i remember i i didn't miss it opening weekend of squirrel season i i can't even tell you when the last time i went squirrel hunting to be honest with you back when when my son was young enough to want to go uh it's been quite a while since i've been out growing well sounds like it's time to break out the 22 or the 20 age and uh fix that and get back out in the score woods a little bit all right so i got a question for rick go ahead yeah we talked earlier in the week uh rick about trail cams and how you guys are using them differently now compared to uh maybe a couple months ago can you talk to us about that a little bit well yeah i mean listen there's there's several ways to use trail cams a lot of people like to get them out before season see what they have uh try to figure out what the travel routes are but like take indiana here for instance you know i i don't live close to indiana i live in iowa so i i don't have the you know the ability just to run over and do a little scouting here and there and of course john's a busy guy too he doesn't have time to do it so i rely on trail cams uh and we've got actually the one of the farms we're hunting we've got five trail cams set up on the one farm so we want to know number one what what the quality of deer are but we also want to know you know kind of their movement and having multiple trail cams allows us to get photos of the same deer uh and once we put all everything together we can tell where they're coming from and where they're moving to and what time of the day they're on what part of the farm and it just helps put the strategy together to be successful and what we're finding out right now to mess with you is all most of our photos are coming in after dark so it's telling us if you're a nocturnal now we have to wait them out hopefully catch them coming out you know sooner or later they're going to break that but right now they're pretty much nocturnal and we know that based on the trail cams now after deer season most people take their trail cams and they put them away i leave mine out in fact i'll put more out late season i want to know what deer survived and made it through but i also want to know where they're spending their time late season uh tells me a lot because the hunting pressure obviously is over and they tend to go back to normal feeding practices and it just makes me a better deer hunter and educates me a lot more leaving my cameras out later in after season yeah you know on our farm we've had trail cameras out for uh pushing 20 years now i guess and we've had deer good sized deer that have grown up on the farm we see them all the way through their life cycle and we only see them on game camera you know it's a couple hundred acres and we've never seen them all the time that my son and i spent the woods and we would never see these big bucks and we would finally know there was a big buck that'd be a big buck and then it would never show up again we knew somebody got it somewhere but we literally would never see these deer on the farm and they were always nocturnal even spring and summer we would not see those deer and you know when they bucks like that get big because they're smart and rick have you ever experienced something like that well absolutely and you know one other thing and i i would mention is you know those of you that like to find sheds and do a lot of shed hunting if you've got one or two or maybe more target bucks that you really want to get the sheds those trail cams will help you determine when they actually shed so that you're not going in too early and bumping those deer and pushing them onto the neighbor's property uh you want them to be on your property when they do shed and of course we know when they start to shed but you know every every individual buck sheds just a little bit differently and i want to know that i've got photos of that deer with or without his antlers before i go in looking for them you know i was reading something oh six months ago about shed catchers people put you know some wire around a salt block or around a a food plot if they're able to put out food uh you know corn to try and catch their sheds and actually causing damage to the to the uh pedicle and uh causing you know damage permanent damage because the horns are coming the antlers are coming off before they're ripped off and uh i'd actually been thinking about doing it because it's legal to do here and after reading that i thought not going to do that you know just i don't want it to damage something that could turn into some big beautiful buck you know and then there's always does um you know we we try to take does and manage to hurt a little bit but it's uh it's hard we're the only people in the valley basically hunting anymore that we know of a couple other people but not like there was 10 years ago anyway all right so um let's talk about the specials you've got coming up sure we're talking about trail cams that was a a very pointed question i asked rick a minute ago because we got a great trail cam special for people that are watching this uh cast this evening you know we uh we sell a lot of trail cams that help and impress her and we often sell them you know five ten twelve at a time and it's really uh the price points that we've got on cameras are designed to let people own multiple cameras at the right amount of money and have multiple cameras out all over the place anyway we want to let you guys participate in that tonight and we've got uh our bresser trail cam that's on special tonight it's an on the hunt special we've got it's a normal retail if you go on the breslerusa.com site you'll see it for i think it's 69 bucks up there on the site but as a podcast special 20 on this item so you'll go to what are the mechanics of this thing can't we go to the bresserusa.com you're going to look for a model number called gc dash two mp dash ts that's the one that's the one with the time and date stamp you're doing 20 20 time stamp 20 don't tell the management because they'll have your hide brother door shut over there we're all right man 20 bucks let's hope they're not watching i'm serious 20 bucks for that oh yeah so the special is through sunday at midnight so everybody watching if you've got a need for some cams especially if you've got a need for multiple cams it's a great way to put them out all over and the coupon code is what the coupon code is on the hunt all one word together so you would go to checkout on the breslar usa site presserusa.com you would select that item the gc-2 mp-ts again get to check out and you would see an opportunity to put a promotional code in and that's when you do it on the hunt all lowercase i think you can put it in however you can put it in and you still get a 20 camera again yeah that's that's a pretty good deal right there we think so that's heck of a price on that time stamp now hand me that camera real quick sure these are simple folks these are not high tech phone in got a program there's a little bit of programming involved to get the timestamp uh going but these simply open up like this and has a watertight seal and out comes the battery pack eight double a's we use restart rechargeable it's got a little uh compartment right here for the uh micro sd card that you're gonna have to buy for the game camera actually on this one i think it comes with the sd card on the 2mp for 20 20 bucks the ts i mean the 2 ts 20 bucks 20 bucks with the with the cart we're throwing it in there that's the deal right there brother i mean that's that's that's on the money you got an on off switch you've got a time you know programming that shows up on the little front screen this thing is dead simple there's you can't find anything cheaper let me see give me a shot there we go right there so it's out of focus tyler's a tyler's not a professional cameraman we we we pulled him out of the back where he's good lifting boxes just here for the crowd actually he's a trained man he's here for the crane meet he's actually customer service guys so as you can see this is this royal buttons micro sd card and i think uh it can't be any larger than 32 gigabytes right so you have to have a if you want to buy extra cards so you can go in the field pull a card put a card in and going down the road you can have up to 32 gigabytes and to put it back in you got to pay attention a little bit because you can get this in there backwards but has a little arrow right here that goes up and it just slides in pops down you pull the little silver tabs over turn it on close the door make sure it's seated good snap the latch the front of it's going to come up and you're going to be able to see when you place it it's going to give you a flash and a little flashing red light and a countdown after i believe it's 30 seconds it goes active and if if y'all are like me you'll get a lot of pictures of yourself down here going like this going is it working is it working i've got a couple of really good portraits of my son and i i guess they're game camera selfies potentially for lack of a better term from doing that so anyway so go to alpine.com usa.com and yeah go find that model number i talked about go to the checkout and enter the promo code and you got a 20 camera opportunity so um show next week we're starting to get people lined up i'm not sure what pro staff we're going to have with rick uh but i've got a uh a guy who has a duck hunting ministry where he takes kids um out duck hunting and you know it's it's not an in-your-face sort of thing but he gives him a a bible at the end of it and a little journal and stuff and it is truly a really cool uh and he's partnered with a farmer and who lets him hunt up a specific pond and it's his dedicated to that ministry and it's a very cool thing i got some pictures going to share i think that joe has some video as well that we might be able to get so uh that's lined up for for next wednesday night um and joe is a wonderful human being when he bought his duck dog i don't know how long ago he he recorded wrote down in a journal every retrieve that dog made and every species of duck and who shot that duck and he has those statistics on that first dog he had when he started this and it's truly amazing that the effort he's put in to get kids in the outdoors and and and get them you know down down the right path nice so nice that's what i've got lined up i've got somebody coming on i think in two weeks yeah we've got a buddy of chris's actually uh sergeant murphy uh marine corps ex-marine i think you're supposed to say retired former marine former marine i think once a marine always a marine i stand corrected anyway um so ryan is going to come on he's i think the first guy we got a shipment of alpine apex scopes in the first one about seven weeks ago and he's the first one that that bought one of these from the company and he's doing some distance target shooting with this thing and i want him to talk about his experience with that he's got a a four and a half to 27 by 50 um alpine apex scope and he's just starting to walk him out there i talked to him the other night and he's he's out to uh he's shooting in this quarry i think and he's out to uh 680 yards and he's going this this weekend to expand on that a little bit so we'll get the uh sergeant murphy distance shooting update in about two weeks on the show so we could probably set him up over here prone and shoot out the door and up put a target on the back of the cracker barrel we could probably do that and see how how accurate he could be i don't think that mine i don't think as long as he hits the steel target they won't mind yeah although that might be a bad idea yeah maybe it might be about it shooting a gun inside no no from the outside it might not be such a bad yeah anyway so we're going to wrap this up um rick thanks for being with us again uh john we appreciate you talking about your beagles we're gonna pull the plug on this uh rodeo or circus depending on how you want to look at it and uh we've had a great time um i really enjoy this this is i call this pilot two not necessarily episode one i like it we'll start we'll start calling on episodes when we have the technical stuff down but um we had what more than a thousand people watched last week's as of uh yesterday so that's pretty cool anyway we're going to get out of here thanks for joining us on on the hunt with alpine everybody have a great rest of the week enjoy the weekend [Music] you know good optics are a must for a hunter the new alph and teton they're light lighter they're better in low light excellent excellent glass you'll be hard-pressed to find that glass for under a thousand dollars everything that you would want in a pair of optics i know what i'm looking for and once i know what i'm looking for and find what it is that's what i'm interested in buying the bottom line is they're affordable they're lighter and they're great in low light the new alpine tetons another deer coming coming out you know good optics are a must for a 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